Re: [Corpora-List] Lesser (sic) used languages

From: Doug Cooper (doug@th.net)
Date: Thu Feb 10 2005 - 18:50:10 MET

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    Hans provides an excellent argument against deriving usage rules
    from corpora ;-). Rather than a long-winded discussion of grammar,
    I'll just point out that 'less' would not be a meaningful substitution
    for 'lesser' in any of the cases cited:

    > "lesser extent" (402), "lesser degree" (109), "lesser of" (31),
    > "lesser mortals" (29), "lesser spotted (eagle/woodpecker etc.)" (25).

      "Lesser used languages" strikes me as a typical PC construction,
    prompted by the same motivation as 'less-abled,' 'less well-abled'
    and so on. My guess is that a less-well-educated writer (see, it's
    infectious!) first derived it from the definitely un-PC 'lesser languages.'
    I'm all for the sentiment, but as far as this particular phrase goes,
    count me in as another cringing native speaker.

        Doug Cooper

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Hans Lindquist" <hans.lindquist@hum.vxu.se>

    > I don't know if native speakers cringe, but this is the established
    technical term for this area of study, as can be seen on Google.
    >
    > Quirk et al 1985 § 7.83c say: "Lesser is sometimes used in comparison to a
    lower degree: lesser-known, in the same way as less well-known."
    >
    > Checking out 2-grams with a frequency of 3 or higher in the BNC through
    Bill Fletchers PIE database, one finds "lesser developed" (38 instances) and
    "lesser known" (36) plus about 90 other 2-grams with lesser + noun or other
    word classes. The most common of those are "lesser extent"
    > (402), "lesser degree" (109), "lesser of" (31), "lesser mortals" (29),
    "lesser spotted (eagle/woodpecker etc.)" (25).



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