RE: [Corpora-List] Re: problems with Google

From: Andrew Kehoe (Andrew.Kehoe@uce.ac.uk)
Date: Thu Mar 17 2005 - 18:03:22 MET

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    Paul
     
    I would imagine that Google will soon be removing support from the wildcard in their API (as well as Google.de and Google.co.uk).
     
    This page from a few weeks ago says that the wildcard is still working in FindForward.com (which uses the Google API): http://blog.outer-court.com/archive/2005-03-06-n50.html. However, if you enter “god * america” in FindForward.com today you'll find that the wildcard works sometimes but doesn't work other times, probably depending upon which Google server the query is passed to.
     
    Andrew Kehoe
    Research and Development Unit for English Studies
    Univerity of Central England in Birmingham
     
    http://www.webcorp.org.uk/

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            From: owner-corpora@lists.uib.no on behalf of Deane, Paul
            Sent: Thu 17/03/2005 15:39
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            Subject: RE: [Corpora-List] Re: problems with Google
            
            
            Has anybody checked whether the behavior with Google's Web API and its standard search is different?
             
            I have code using the Java Web API which makes use of the asterisk to blank out a single word (not an unrestricted wildcard.) As of yesterday, when I tested the code, it still appeared to be working as designed.

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Andrew Kehoe [mailto:Andrew.Kehoe@uce.ac.uk]
                    Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:27 AM
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                    Subject: RE: [Corpora-List] Re: problems with Google
                    
                    
                    
                    John
                     
                    Even if you put double quotes around the wildcard character Google will ignore it. When you search for:
                     
                    "what does "*" mean"
                     
                    Google is actually searching for 2 'phrases': "what does " and " mean". You cannot nest double quotes in Google so the double quotes around the * are actually closing your initial quote and beginning a new quote, with the wildcard ignored completely.
                     
                    It may be the case that SOME of the pages Google returns will contain "what does", followed by one other word, followed by "mean" but your query does not ask for this specifically. Google could (and does) also return pages containing "mean" and "what does" in the opposite order, or with multiple words in between.
                     
                    Similarly, "what does "*" "*" mean" is actually searching for 3 'phrases': 1) "what does ", 2) " " (a space), and 3)" mean".
                     
                    So, Google hasn't retained support for wildcards at all I'm afraid, and this is why we are developing our own search engine in WebCorp, as Antoinette Renouf mentioned yesterday.
                     
                    Andrew Kehoe
                    Research and Development Unit for English Studies
                    Univerity of Central England in Birmingham
                     
                    http://www.webcorp.org.uk/

                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: owner-corpora@lists.uib.no on behalf of John Milton
                            Sent: Thu 17/03/2005 13:39
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                            Subject: [Corpora-List] Re: problems with Google
                            
                            

                            I just discovered that Google seems to have retained some use of the
                            wildcard for words if you use double quotes with the asterisk. A search
                            for "what does "*" mean" and "what does "*" "*" mean" results MAINLY in
                            any one and two words respectively. If anyone else is using web searches
                            as language learning/teaching resources, this also looks promising:
                            http://www.findforward.com/
                            
                            John Milton
                            Hong Kong University of Science & Technology
                            
                            
                            
                            




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